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Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Originally Posted by cc.pyro

Yes, because that is completely logical.
Why do you write essays, do math homework, drive your car, play sports, live? A computer could do all of that, just skip it!!! I mean, if a mindless mess of chips and wires could do that for me why would I do it?

So your computer program can write essays that equal mine.
/me sobs.

codemonkey · Jun 09, 2005, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Stur

Well code monkey publishing writes software for role-playing games and he is a programmer name code monkey on a role-playing games forum, honest mistake lol

Yes, see, its more like: I'm a software developer, I write code. I am, by nature, a geek. And geeks tend to do silly things like read rpg message boards while they're waiting for they're projects to compile....

But you were on the right track

zemelett · Jun 09, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

You know the funny thing is that the rune traders only have minor runes and they are already ID, so you don't even get the unlock. If you want to unlock it for your PvP player you still have to go out and find runes. It just makes it so that you don't feel like hording your runes until you find that highest armor to apply it to.

Also I swear to god I read like 12 posts here yesterday about how we 'needed' rune traders....so when we get them seems everyone has a shit about them.

Cally · Jun 09, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I do mostly PvE and a little PvP. I think people who are complaining abt the rune trader and SoC change in this patch may not understand the game mechanism correctly or is not looking at the big picture.

Rune Trader - It does not make the game less challenging. It just makes it easier to buy/sell runes, at an accurate price valuation based on the entire market's supply and demand. Runes available from the trader comes from players selling the runes to the rune traders and it is not different from before the patch when you buy it from another player character, except now there is a middleman in the trade. You'll, for example, not find superior vigor or superior absorption from the rune trader becos players don't sell it to the trader. Fire runes are often out of stock too becos of low supply / high demand. If you are not complaining abt the Sigil trader, you shouldn't be about the rune traders too.

SoC - I'll be the first to admit that there is a great sense of achievement and joy when one captures a highly elusive elite skill after hours and hours of skill hunting runs. However, looking at the big picture, the old SoC system is flawed becos it is not fair to some professions. Those who complain it is too easy now should go play a monk and see how often you get to "stay" on the boss to be ready to capture the elite when, and if, he uses it. Yes, if you play with guildmates, everyone can cooperate to keep the boss alive as long as possible to wait for him to use the elite skill. But certain skills, such as Matyr require the boss to have minions around for him to use the skill. So having both a primary mesmer (who gets to stay on the boss alot) and primary monk (who hardly ever), my personal opinion is that this change balance the ease of skill capture for all classes and is a positive development. But to make it more challenging, A-net may want to reduce the number of bosses and put them at hard-to-reach area to increase the difficulty and sense of achievement for capturing an elite skill.

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Originally Posted by squakMix

I agree with you; Villainy is now the quest with the highest experience.

That is not true. Go to the Fissure or Underworld and you'll see much higher xp quests (and may I add, doable in a shorter amount of time).

Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

do you honestly think this patch will stop cheating? Do you honestly think that EVERYONE pays for this game...do you honestly think that everyone that has high level weapons and runes and whatever earned them....there's ALWAYS going to be people that cheat/hack...ArenaNet, if they are trying to eliminate hackers/cheaters, IS GOING TO FAIL. It's not possible...Reason: Those of us that can hack/cheat(I don't...because I enjoy playing the game. But I could quite easily. I cracked the game before I bought it.) are SMARTER than ArenaNet....All they've done is ruined the game for people that enjoy playing it. Sure they've appeased everyone that had problems with the game before....but that's only because the ones that have problems with it now weren't complaining.

Did you miss the point? The point was: if a mindless bot can do something while the player is away from his keyboard (maybe on vacation having fun for 2 weeks), and that something is considered cheating, then something is wrong with the game.

So those that dont cheat are doing something a mindless bot could do if it was allowed. WoW phear the skillz. "As good as everyone else" ... sure...

*Edit: Oh and all they did is give a glimmer of hope to the target audience who was hating this game since release. If that broke your game, fear the next weeks ...

der kur · Jun 09, 2005, 03:35 PM // 15:35

the way i see it.. the rune traders aren't that bad of an idea, easier way to make money. can actually make a few hundred off all those lame minors usually sell to the merchant for 25 gold. but the only problem i found with them is that they are in PVP areas..... and for all those people that just spend all their time playing in HoH and complained they didn't have everything. now you win a sigil, walk over to the sigil trader trade it for the 70-90k. then turn around and buy 5-9 sup runes. how is that not easier? yes winning a sigil isn't that easy unless you are one of the fortunate guilds that played beta for the last year and hold HoH nonstop and didn't worry about unlocking anything..... i really don't see how that makes anything more balanced.

codemonkey · Jun 09, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by zemelett

You know the funny thing is that the rune traders only have minor runes and they are already ID, so you don't even get the unlock. If you want to unlock it for your PvP player you still have to go out and find runes. It just makes it so that you don't feel like hording your runes until you find that highest armor to apply it to.

Also I swear to god I read like 12 posts here yesterday about how we 'needed' rune traders....so when we get them seems everyone has a shit about them.

You can please half the gamers more then half of the time, but you can please complainers none of the time.

Or Yoda style...

"Gamer you are, complainer you must be, yes?"

CodeMonkey

pionata · Jun 09, 2005, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

do you honestly think this patch will stop cheating? Do you honestly think that EVERYONE pays for this game...do you honestly think that everyone that has high level weapons and runes and whatever earned them....there's ALWAYS going to be people that cheat/hack...ArenaNet, if they are trying to eliminate hackers/cheaters, IS GOING TO FAIL. It's not possible...Reason: Those of us that can hack/cheat(I don't...because I enjoy playing the game. But I could quite easily. I cracked the game before I bought it.) are SMARTER than ArenaNet....All they've done is ruined the game for people that enjoy playing it. Sure they've appeased everyone that had problems with the game before....but that's only because the ones that have problems with it now weren't complaining.

Having better programming skills, or simply understanding how to doubleclick on an hack does certainly NOT make the player a SMARTER person than a company (wtf are you smoking?)...

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Saerden

So your computer program can write essays that equal mine.
/me sobs.

I've written applications that will utilize search engine features to pull pertanant information for term papers and research papers when I was in highschool...and would then compile the information it pulled in legible sentences and paragraphs. It would require a good amount of editing afterward to put everything together but greatly decreased the amount of time I had to spend writing papers. Some of the information it would pull would be complete useless junk...but that is to be expected.

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by pionata

Having better programming skills, or simply understanding how to doubleclick on an hack does certainly NOT make the player a SMARTER person than a company (wtf are you smoking?)...

the people WRITING the hacks are smarter than the company.....and they always will be

Shadow_Avenger · Jun 09, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

do you honestly think this patch will stop cheating? Do you honestly think that EVERYONE pays for this game...do you honestly think that everyone that has high level weapons and runes and whatever earned them....there's ALWAYS going to be people that cheat/hack...ArenaNet, if they are trying to eliminate hackers/cheaters, IS GOING TO FAIL. It's not possible...Reason: Those of us that can hack/cheat(I don't...because I enjoy playing the game. But I could quite easily. I cracked the game before I bought it.) are SMARTER than ArenaNet....All they've done is ruined the game for people that enjoy playing it. Sure they've appeased everyone that had problems with the game before....but that's only because the ones that have problems with it now weren't complaining.

LOL chat like that can get a guy banned. To apoint you are right, there will always be those who try to exploit and cheat, but taking active steps against it actually reduces it and send out the message that it's not worth the hassle. Some will just for the challange, but 99% of us don't and don't care to we just enjoy the game for what it is.

Dreamsmith · Jun 09, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

My two theories 1) they're appeasing those that don't want to do anything...they just wan't to start up the game and 5 minutes later be as good as everyone else.
2) they're forcing players to finish the game quicker and then get the **** off the server cuz they can't stand playing anymore. either way ArenaNet got it's 50 bucks.

Hmm. Those are the best two theories you can come with for why you don't have to rerun the infusion question five times anymore?

I have a better theory. A lot of people complain just for the sake of complaining, so no matter how good a patch is, no matter how blantantly obvious an improvement is, trolls will complain about it, not because they're genuinely pissed, but simply because they enjoy complaining, saying completely outrageous things and watching people respond to their inane jabber. Throw in a comment about you're quitting the game over it, and how only 12 year olds will keep playing, and you're guarenteed to draw responses, no matter obvious it is that even you can't possibly believe what you're saying.

A legitimate thread discussing what's good and bad about the patch would be nice, but this one was started by an obvious troll trying to solicit flames, and he succeeded.

My gods, people, how can anyone think having to rerun the same mission five times made it harder, rather than simply making it more tedious? How can anyone think fixing that made the game easier?

The answer is, they can't. These people aren't as stupid as they pretend to be. They're just trolls. Please stop feeding them. Thanks.

Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

It would require a good amount of editing afterward to put everything together but greatly decreased the amount of time I had to spend writing papers.

Less "grind", more creativity. Release your program to the public and make the world a better place.

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Avenger

LOL chat like that can get a guy banned. To apoint you are right, there will always be those who try to exploit and cheat, but taking active steps against it actually reduces it and send out the message that it's not worth the hassle. Some will just for the challange, but 99% of us don't and don't care to we just enjoy the game for what it is.

I make no effort to hide what I do. Yes originally I stole the game from ArenaNet....it took me 5 hours to crack it. I wanted to see if it was possible. and I assure you that it is possible. I played the game for 2 hours and decided that it was one of the better games I've played....So even though I already had myself a free copy, I ponied up the 50 bucks to support the team that built it....I'm honest, if that get's me banned I'd be quite upset about it. But it won't be the end of the world

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Saerden

Less "grind", more creativity. Release your program to the public and make the world a better place.

I'm dumber for not going through the 'grind'....I would have greatly benefitted from doing the research myself. Yes I accomplished something in that the program worked...and I got to spend a few more hours smoking dope with my friends. But I wouldn't release it..or condone its usage. It's take away from the most basic aspect of schooling....learning how to work.

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Hmm. Those are the best two theories you can come with for why you don't have to rerun the infusion question five times anymore?

I have a better theory. A lot of people complain just for the sake of complaining, so no matter how good a patch is, no matter how blantantly obvious an improvement is, trolls will complain about it, not because they're genuinely pissed, but simply because they enjoy complaining, saying completely outrageous things and watching people respond to their inane jabber. Throw in a comment about you're quitting the game over it, and how only 12 year olds will keep playing, and you're guarenteed to draw responses, no matter obvious it is that even you can't possibly believe what you're saying.

A legitimate thread discussing what's good and bad about the patch would be nice, but this one was started by an obvious troll trying to solicit flames, and he succeeded.

My gods, people, how can anyone think having to rerun the same mission five times made it harder, rather than simply making it more tedious? How can anyone think fixing that made the game easier?

The answer is, they can't. These people aren't as stupid as they pretend to be. They're just trolls. Please stop feeding them. Thanks.

the 'grind' is what makes you good at the game...having to run the same quests multiple times makes you more skillfull...you figure out new ways to beat the 'baddies'...new strategies...instead of just running through the game and standing toe to toe with every mob waiting for it to die. Nobody likes challenge anymore?

codemonkey · Jun 09, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

the people WRITING the hacks are smarter than the company.....and they always will be

False. People WRITING hacks are smart enough to write hacks. Nobody can be deemed SMARTER then anyone else simply because "they figured it out."

If I took your car keys off your desk, had them duplicated, jumped in your 1986 ford f150 and stole it am I smarter then you? Or then ford? More creative? No, just had some time to dream up a way to steal your car. Plain and simple.

As a network programmer I can probably decipher they're protocol and re-implement an automated client to do everything that you can do in the game. Does that make me smarter then anyone else on this message board? Hell no, I'm a damned network programmer! Its what I do, its what I know, its what I get paid to do. Just don't ask me to air brush your motorcycle because I'm sure someone on the board would be "smarter" then me in that and do a better job. Everyone has their place, nobody is SMARTER then anyone else because they can do something someone else has failed at (or never tried).

The only fact is that people that consider themselves SMARTER then a collective company are what other people call IGNORANT (search for it on dictionary.com).

CodeMonkey

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by codemonkey

False. People WRITING hacks are smart enough to write hacks. Nobody can be deemed SMARTER then anyone else simply because "they figured it out."

If I took your car keys off your desk, had them duplicated, jumped in your 1986 ford f150 and stole it am I smarter then you? Or then ford? More creative? No, just had some time to dream up a way to steal your car. Plain and simple.

As a network programmer I can probably decipher they're protocol and re-implement an automated client to do everything that you can do in the game. Does that make me smarter then anyone else on this message board? Hell no, I'm a damned network programmer! Its what I do, its what I know, its what I get paid to do. Just don't ask me to air brush your motorcycle because I'm sure someone on the board would be "smarter" then me in that and do a better job. Everyone has their place, nobody is SMARTER then anyone else because they can do something someone else has failed at (or never tried).

The only fact is that people that consider themselves SMARTER then a collective company are what other people call IGNORANT (search for it on dictionary.com).

CodeMonkey

the term 'smart' is relative...and in this case we're talking about computer gaming/programming....if the hacker thinks of it before the company does...yes the hacker is smarter.

this all boils down very very simply.

Basketball Player "Coach...all the time I have to put in to get better at basketball seems like 'grind' and I really don't want to do it...."
Basketball Coach "Well...we'll just make the hoop bigger so it's easier for you to hit those Jump Shots"

-problem solved.

DarrenJasper · Jun 09, 2005, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Bragging about your hacking skills on the internet is, always has been, and forever will be nothing more than adolescent posturing.

Pretty damn funny to read, though.

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

Bragging about your hacking skills on the internet is, always has been, and forever will be nothing more than adolescent posturing.

Pretty damn funny to read, though.

I'm not bragging at all...I'm making an example. that it's possible and will always be done....you can't stop it, so why are they taking away from the players everything the bots can do? there are far better ways to stop bots than take away vital elements of the game that people are using bots for.